The pic of Sakurai flipping us off will never get old lol
Wait that's real?!
I’m so tired of anime swordfighters getting added to my japanese video game. Add Sora and Dante btw
Stop putting anime swordsmen in Smash Bros!
It's "Smash" Bros, not "Slash" Bros!
Anyway, when Crono?
I'm tired of all the fist fighters in my anime swordsman game.
This but unironically
The last pic is just too good. Sakurai found a technicality to just flip us off and I love it
Sending children into battle are we?
Roy’s game has got that on lockdown. The might of Bern fallen to some middle school that let out for recess. (Well excluding some hard mode favorites like Rutger and Milady)
I still love that he called out the people who say he just wanted to make a party game during the Sephiroth presentation.
All while his entire live chat was protesting the Melee thing
No? He agreed that there were too many swordsmen, there was literally a column where he specifically said "I know there are too many sword characters" the DLC is not his decision.
Chrom was his descision. And sakurai could have said no to every dlc. He approved all of them
“Too many endearing companion characters voiced by Cassandra Lee Morris, are there?”
Lol I remember that direct. It was my first live direct and I actually wanted Byleth. I'm pretty sure I spent a good hour defending why we need more FE reps XD
The sword argument is pretty bad against him too.
First off half his kit is using the bow/lancr/ax. Then on top of that, the other half of the time when he does use a sword, it's the whip form. So he really isn't much of a sword user I the end.
That said yeah I was there too, rooting for Byleth. 3 houses was great
Don't forget that before the reveal Sakurai made a whole speech about how you shouldn't get disappointed if somebody you like doesn't get in and to not bother him on Twitter about it. And then the people behind the camera started laughing.
Sakurai absolutely knew what he was doing throughout that presentation and it was glorious!
Btw there's only, like, a 25% of the cast which is p small for a fighting game. For comparison: about 40% of guilty gear xx accent core +r characters have a sword, while 99% of samurai showdown characters have swords
100% of Mario and Sonic at the Olympic Games Dream Fencing characters have swords
semi popular opinion: if the only FE characters in Smash were Marth, Ike, and Robin, Byleth would have been a welcome addition
they still are, and I love Three Houses, but the timing for that reveal could not have been worse. swap Byleth with Sephiroth for reveal times.
As a Smash fan but not a FE fan: I think Marth, Robin, *Corrin*, and Byleth are all different enough that they merit their inclusions. Roy, Chrom, Ike, and Lucina however don't; I would replace them with a thief, axe-user (version of Ike), and a lance user. I happen to agree with the mentality that the FE cast within Smash are merely just not diverse enough in their weapons and movesets. Initially I was upset with Byleth's inclusion but then when they swapped weapons on their moves I am now pleased; and welcome their inclusion.
What we really need is some Eastern Swordsman
They are swords-Women, get it right.
Me, who exclusively counts in binary: 4
Wait doesn’t the thumb make it 5? 00101?
We need more gunner representation, we only have joker ( and maybe banjo if you consider him a gunner) as a gunner dlc character we been mostly getting sword fighters and brawlers.
Ehh, I don't want to get too many zoners fam..
That 2nd image is one of the many reasons why I love sakurai
That 3rd image is why I love him.
Oooh, this is gonna open some old wounds again in the comments again, isn’t it?
(Jokes aside though, if we really wanted to go back to old speculations about who decides what characters get into Smash, swords or no swords, it feels sort of like a back-and-forth negotiation between Sakurai and whoever is his contact in Nintendo. I had brought up the question before when this had been brought up early last year [and inadvertently sparked the old “fuck FE” bandwagon again as usual before more context was given], and some people noted that it’s sort of a mix where it’s not purely Sakurai or Nintendo choosing the DLC or characters; some people pointed that Nintendo sometimes presents characters for Sakurai’s team to make as fighters, and Sakurai chooses from them. Sakurai probably also presents his own ideas as well, but I can’t comment on what exactly the process is since it’s an old topic and I’d have to risk my sanity and dig deep again into forums for more info.
Even if we do get more info though or truth, that unfortunately won’t stop people trying to micro analyze every movement from Sakurai and every little tweet to try to say he was “forced at gunpoint” to add some character like Minecraft Steve or to say that all “anime-like”, sword, or FE characters are bad. I don’t really want to try to hyper analyze the nitty gritty of everything really, I just want to unwind with Smash and play some characters I like rather than trying to argue over them like people tend to do online.)
Old wounds? This subreddit never even starts to heal that wound.
I remember that moment.
And it was beautiful.
It was my favorite presentation
I love his shit eating grin in the second picture. He’s just like “you haven’t seen NOTHIN yet”
Swordfighters are ok as long as they are fun and unique. While I like characters such as chrom and lucina from their games, and its great to see them have some representation in this game, It does kind of suck how all they are is just "hits with sword".
I'm fine with characters like byleth and even pyra because there's more to them than just hit with sword. Plus I like Byleth because the game they're from is just plain good and pyra's game ive never even played but I still don't mind.
i'm just so tired of being hit by disjoints all the time
For as annoyed as i was and still am that Byleth capped off the first pass, you gotta admit the amount of tongue in cheek humor in the presentation was pretty good.
The only swordsmen I can see myself wanting after Pyra and Mythra are out has gotta be either The Knight or Hornet from Hollow Knight
I like how everyone complains about anime swordfighters when they're added but the most requested characters by the majority of people are all anime swordfighters as well. Like it's fine to dislike and complain about a new character, but actually give good reasoning and not that blatant hypocritical bullshit lmao
tbf a lot of anime swordfighters that are popular are the ones that can have unique moves into their pool like Ryu Hayabusa, Lloyd Irving, Dante. etc.
What I get upset with is when those who suggest them can't defend why they're more than the generic anime swordie.
Sakurai: Well I'm going to add 3 more!
'I'm" gonna add 3 more. Stop blaming the wrong people please. It's not his decision.
Joke’s on you I actually wanted Byleth
Niceee. After joker, byleth my most requested character, over every video game character in existence
People complaining about sword fighters in Smash Bros may very well be the most random thing I've seen a fanbase complain about. You may as well complain that there are too many fighters who wear gloves or too many blonde people.
I disagree, swords add a move-pool to their attacks, gloves and blonde hair don't make a character stay at a medium to long range to attack. Brawlers become more aggressive, Gunners and mages become zoners, but sword users are at a set distance making them more of a general spectrum to their range.
People have various playstyles so adding more of the same playstyle ruins the experience for some while favors others; A fighting game should cater to all the playstyles within. The weapon a character has in a fighting game matters a lot.
I honestly don’t see the problem with sword characters. I find pikachu, ness/Lucas, piranha plant, banjo, min min, and Kirby WAY more annoying to deal with. Maybe it’s because I main sword fighters like cloud, roy, and sephiroth, but that’s just me
Wait, that actually happened?
He was counting in binary.
I mean, Sakurai himself has said there are too many swordsmen in the game lol. It's just not in his hands.
Can someone please tell me why he flipped the camera off
He was counting in binary and just so happened to start with his middle finger
What do you mean there are too many? I have no idea what your talking about
I never get tired of that smile
Tbh I was getting bored of more and more anime characters and sword fighters but now I feel really happy we got characters like joker, sephiroth and pyra/mythra
I haven't played uprising either
A lot of people were more upset about Fire Emblem over-representation than the representation of every other anime swordsman in Ultimate from other games. Like, people still got excited over Sephiroth, despite the fact that he's as much of an anime swordsman as Cloud as well as Shulk and Pyra/Mythra, and that's mostly because he appeared in the Final Fantasy game to end all Final Fantasy games, despite several more coming after it.
And in my case, I don't mind all of these anime swordsmen. Most of them were from JRPG's, and I used to be a big JRPG buff, myself, ever since Pokemon Red and Blue got me into the genre. Nowadays, I'm more into mecha thanks to all of these streaming services that allowed me to watch whatever mecha anime was available on them. Like, if there's anything medieval fantasy and sci-fi mecha have in common, it's an emphasis on different armor as well as different close-quarters and long-range weaponry to compliment that armor.
Literally there are so many cool fire emblem characters, put me a flat out archer only in there or Axe 0person only.
There's not that much -w-
People complaining how there is too much swordsmen but what they really mean is that their favorite one is not in yet
Calling people out doesn’t suddenly make having a ton of sword characters an invalid complaint.
Glad to know the man himself has a nice sense of humor
Too many anime swordies in Smash well here yeah go some anime Swords.
Ephraim would be op because he has weapon triangle advantage
So I found this [Tweet](https://twitter.com/actualaero/status/1363590872366018561?s=21) that counts all of the swordsman in the game, and realistically they’re a very small percentage. Hell, I don’t think Ganondorf and Steve really count as sword fighters.
If Ganondorf counts then so should Megaman for his flame sword and the Pits for their dual blades.
Also I think the complaint is to not compare them to the entire roster but instead they need to be compared to other arc-types for example there's so few magic users on the roster compared to sword-users, so few gunnery users compared to sword-users, so few hand-to-hand specialists to sword-users.
I really don't care if a character has a sword, hammer, fist or whatever and don't care if it's a character from japan, Canada or something else. All we should care about is if we find the character fun to play as, and if that character is a character we wanted then that's a win-win scenario
The character I think from Canada that could possibly be in Smash is a Warframe... but that game doesn't name their titular characters, as they're robots used by The Operator. So they could be in as they did with Steve, Alex, Enderman, and Zombie. Having the popular avatars selected to represent them. This would be a cool fighter imo.
Sorry about the tangent. (I'm thinking along the lines that Big Daddy would get shafted for being in PSAS)
Come on guys. 27% of all fighters are swordfighters. That’s like half of the roster if you round it up. They should add more brawler types we only have like 50 of those.
The argument is nonexistent imo. I think we should be more so arguing for Gunners and Mages, but people just don't like zoners.
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