Good without God
The right thing is entirely circumstantial and based on your own perceptions of good and bad. This is a separate conversation from Nihilism. By even acknowledging "The Right Thing" means you assume there is some meaning to something, which Nihilism lacks that principle.
Nihilism is the uncomfortable acknowledgment that everything is ultimately pointless or meaningless in the big picture of everything.
Is it even possible to not have a "right thing"? If nothing has meaning or purpose then why do you do anything? For any action that you take why did you chose that action over another? Doesn't that imply you have some way of evaluating what actions are better?
Exactly, it's crazy when people say stuff like; "If it wasn't for my religion and my god I would be doing *insert bad thing here*"
I don't believe in any of those stuff but I have no problems with differentiating right from wrong. They've just been indoctrinated to believe that a belief in god is the only thing making them do good, and that's just sick. A lot of people don't believe that they can make those decisions on their own. They fully attribute it to some imaginary higher power.
Without the concept of God, there can’t be goodness. I’m atheist by the way but I came to this conclusion recently.
Without some higher power, everything is permitted. What if I don’t care about society’s moral standard ? Why if I don’t have any empathy for others ?
I mean strictly speaking the concept of God is the only provider of some real objective morality.
I’m nihilist so I don’t even believe that right and wrong exist. There only is power and will, will to live, power to destroy.
The thing is all of us have been indoctrinated by religion. Christianity plays a huge role even today. People who claim to be atheist obeys from the Christian moral code. They don’t cheat on their wife/husband, they try to act towards charity…
No human make moral decision on their own. Everyone needs some kind of fondamental justification to carry goodness.
Ultimately there is no good or bad things if you’re really nihilistic.
Apart from the consequences, turbomurdering everyone on sight and helping a homeless guy have no difference from each other on a universal perspective. There is no good nor evil or right or bad, that's all are human perception. You either do stuff for your religion or to relieve your monke brain therefore it is equally insincere to boast about them when you are an atheist or nihilist.
Even a mother's selfless sacrifice hides secret nuances and instincts at the background.
i thought we agreed as nihlist ethics are bullshit / construct.... so who cares
Eh. I love humans so I'll still help them.
Only a sith deals with absolutes.
Define "the right thing"
I will add that doing anything good in the name of any religion (at least any of the big 3 monotheistic religions), is not ethical. You're helping (or whatever) the other for yourself. It's fuel by self-interest believes.
How have you determined that pure self-interest is immoral?
Then doing the right thing is meaningful?
Another class of people who believes they have the better reason to do the right thing.
Bro, there is no right or wrong.
What's the 'right thing'? You really think there exists an objective right and wrong in a reality without objective purpose?
There isn't an objective right and wrong, but within the context of the society you live in, yes, there are morally right and wrong descisions
Like.. kicking an old person down a flight of stairs is morally wrong, whereas, helping them is morally right
They are saying, that doing morally right things because you have the empathy and foresight to do them is better than just following a set of rules in some voodoo religious text
Right and wrong aren't real. I just like to help people because I love them. I owe humans everything.
You people still do something for religion?
This is the way.
I’m a nihilist and – for the most part – do things that make other people happy. It feels good and I like feeling good. That’s all. Perhaps it’s selfish altruism. Nevertheless, it doesn’t matter.
this reminds me how ppl think ppl owe them good character because of a title (friendship, gf/bf) ext a lot of ppl u see cling to titles because they think a title will change a person and then act surprised when a player stays a player and cheats even with the title. It's like religion doesn't change a person nor any title u give them.
Here's the problem with these kinds of statements. Who gets to decide what "The Right Thing" is? And who decides what is "Ethical". Because one persons "right thing" is another persons "un-ethical" thing. So it's all just a matter of perspective. It's all completely subjective. So, meaningless.
What is the right thing?
Who gives a crap about ethics? I do not kill a man not because of morality but because society punishes me. Moral nihilismus dude.
But in a hypothetical situation where killing is legal, if it was still deemed as morally wrong would you do it? In this situation, you aren't going to get punished for doing it but it's still morally wrong and you aren't going to do it.
none of that means anything. who cares about being ethnical? i'm jusst doing what i can do survive.
True. Religious people do the right thing for rewards (going to heaven / good karma).
Non religious people who do the right thing actually have empathy.