Fucking do it. My dad got COVID from a nurse days after being out of ICU for a near fatal septic infection, also on dialysis and immunosuppressants. If he hadn't already had both vaccine doses he'd be dead.
Seriously how are nurses allowed to be anti-vax? It blows my mind.
Back in April, I said this in either Alberta or Canada subreddit - I forget which - and got downvoted to get ninth level of hell for it.
This was after a 2 week hospital stay and I said I was surprised how many of my care team were antivaxx, which I found out by hearing them talking too loud at the nurse’s station when they thought I was sleeping.
I was ripped a new one for daring suggest that a health care worker would be antivaxx, and that I was full of shit because it’s mandatory - it’s not. There’s various reasons they can refuse.
And lookie there - now there’s an article. I had staff themselves tell me that they didn’t have even first dose and will put it off as long as possible.
I don't understand why the concept of cognitive dissonance is so hard for people.
My sister went to med school and she makes a living telling chronically ill patients how to eat for optimal health etc. but would rather go on statins than eat vegetables herself. Watching that has made it very clear to me that just because someone works in a field or knows something in the abstract doesn't mean they'll live as if it's true.
When I went to volunteer at a hospital they made me get my tuberculosis vaccine before they'd even look at my application. I am confused why the retirement home my FIL is in has only 73% vacc rate among the psw's and nurses.
Edit: it was a TB test, not a vaccine, excuse me.
You probably had a TB test, not a vaccine. We don’t use TB vaccines in Canada—they don’t work very well.
Just want to make sure you don’t misunderstand that you’re TB-immune.
> Doug Ford said last week that health-care workers have a "constitutional right" to opt out of vaccination
I find it difficult to believe that people have a constitutional right to be employed by specific employers when their behaviour puts others at risk. I think it's fair to assume people have a constitutional right to not be vaccinated. I don't think it's particularly clear that individual professions are protected from vaccination requirements. If that were the case, why is it constitutional to require vaccinations for children to attend public school? If you're a nurse, you can easily avoid vaccination requirements – you just can't be a nurse.
This wouldn't be the first time Dougie has shown he doesn't understand how the constitution works
This really baffles me. How can someone be a health-care worker and not want the vaccine?? Like have they been out of the job for a year!? FFS they don't deserve to be working in health care if they won't follow simple health precautions. They clearly didn't understood the science behind the job and must already be terrible at it. Revoke their diploma at this point, they failed the job.
A huge percentage of healthcare workers think that the ER is crazier on a full moon with little to no evidence. Unfortunately, it turns out we have crackpots and superstitious people in all walks of life.
As someone who has worked in healthcare and is related to a lot of people in healthcare I can confirm that this is very common. Thankfully most of the people I know at least claim they have been vaccinated.
Do it! If you don't understand vaccines enough to believe you shouldn't get one, you shouldn't be in health care!
It's a no brainer. I work in healthcare, and the amount of colleagues I have that refuse the vaccine is ridiculous. If you're a healthcare worker and you refuse the vaccine, you should lose your license. Full stop.
How it isn't a condition of employment is beyond me.
Oh wow, I can't believe this is even a question.
I tend to agree with Ford that people have the right to refuse vaccination -- you get to decide what you do with your body -- but of course the right to do something doesn't entail freedom from consequences for that choice, or curtail the freedom of others. Like, I have the right to get "PIG FUCKER" tattooed across my face if I really want to, it doesn't mean I can demand someone employ me in retail or as a daycare worker or whatever.
Choosing to not get vaxxed has consequences. Other people may not want to have you in their homes, as is their right. Some businesses may not want you in their stores, as is their right -- "infectious idiot" is not a protected class. And obviously *nobody* ought to want you in jobs where you have to treat covid patients.
Right-wing dolts like Ford and Kenney just like to pretend that "a right to do X" means "I can do X and nobody has the right to hold me accountable for it", specifically when it's a right they like (or, more likely in this case, when they're pandering to their anti-vaxx base).
> Like, I have the right to get "PIG FUCKER" tattooed across my face...
Wish the NP's at my infusion clinic didn't have to wait as long as they did especially providing care for autoimmune diseases!! Nothing shocks me anymore!! Sadly.
Just throwing in my own two-cents here as to why so many nurses won't want to be vaccinated even though they're front line workers at the most risk of being exposed and they also work in healthcare and should know better.
I think part of the reason is that they're also exposed to confirmation bias. If you think about it, nurses, especially ER nurses probably see a fair number of patients/people who go to the ER after getting vaccinated because they have a stronger reaction to it, most probably just come in after running a high fever for a few days or they might have stronger adverse effects. Either way, the nurses see this and in their minds, the vaccine isn't necessarily safe, or at least they don't feel comfortable getting it when they are the ones who see and have to treat people who have stronger reactions to it.
It's in the mind, yes statistically speaking those people with stronger reactions are a tiny percentage of everyone who got the shot, but they don't see or talk to the people who merely experienced a sore arm for a day or two... so they're exposed to that confirmation bias. It can be hard to shake off.
That is a good explanation that I didnt think of before
I have a couple of icu coworkers that haven’t gotten to it. I had to scare one of them as their wedding is soon and said you can get covid or the vaccine because everyone will get it.
Luckily my extended family is at 100% vaccination now (over 75 people) and my wedding is soon with a no vaccine no invite policy.
It's interesting to see how many healthcare workers were left out of this round of vaccines.
Sure, all the nurses and doctors were vaccinated, but the janitors and the people who move equipment and the contractors and the IT specialists and the maintenance people, and all the other people required to make sure that the hospital keeps functioning had the hardest time getting vaccines.
The fuck this wasn’t done months ago.
I don’t understand why we are willing to tell restaurants they can’t have indoor dining for over a year but we can’t tell a trained healthcare worker they need a vaccine to continue working with sick people.
healthcare workers, of all people, should be keenly aware of the reality of this virus and should generally be open to science and it’s pretty clear that these vaccines are safe.
I’m not sure I want to be treated by a healthcare worker that refuses a vaccine. Not for the virus risk, but because I would question their judgement more generally.
I don't know how this isn't a thing already.
You *cannot* work in healthcare while simultaneously denying its value and efficacy.
Isn’t part of it that some people go into nursing for the career opportunity and not because they care about science or medicine per se? It all makes sense if you look at it from that lens imo.
That's very rare. I can think of 1 person in my schooling and career who didn't care about the science. They failed out of school in their 2nd year.
That being said, I've been told the amount of science and medicine involved in nursing school has increased dramatically over the past 2 decades, so I can't speak for the older generations.
The problem is we have shortages of nurses and other healthcare workers to begin with. This is literally a case of "beggars can't be choosers". Many have already left hospital jobs since COVID because of the added burden/stress of their job. It isn't pleasant to think about, but its true and something we will have to reckon with soon (actually, we already are)
1. If nurses were forced to get the covid vaccine, most wouldn't quit, they would just begrudgingly get the vaccine and whine about it.
2. If a nurse does not want to get the vaccine then they shouldn't be a nurse. An outbreak of covid was started in a care home near me that killed like 17 people because of unvaxed nurses.
3. If there is a shortage, then nurse pay should go up to attract more nurses. Win-win in my book.
We can deal with the shortage. We can't deal with this unscientific bullshit in medicine. This is not a choosy beggar situation. This is people's health and we deserve to demand the best. We aren't going to let the janitor sub in as a nurse just because we are low on nurses. You wouldn't tell someone they are a choosing beggar for refusing that. Same here.
you have to wonder how many health-care workers are immuno-compromised because they're going through cancer treatment
Why the hell would health care workers not get the vaccine (other than for medical reasons)? You'd think they would know better
I don't get it. So nurses can just deny science and refuse to get vaccinated and they can keep their job. I'm a developer, what if I just decided wi-fi is toxic and I need to be accommodated at my workplace.
Somehow I don't think that would happen for me...
Lol 4th wave haha nice one
what about the 6th,7th and 8 waves?