Pretty much what I feel with every job at any company. You're not married to it. You have to be prepared to separate at any time. The steady income may not be so steady one day so you prepare for the worse
I can’t stop arguing against the idea that “if you love what you do you’ll never work a day in your life.” Yes. You will. Work is work. You might get lucky to fall into being happy with it, but there’s nothing at all wrong with the idea that your job is simply a necessity. Work for the weekend. That’s fine. Find a job you don’t loathe, but don’t stress if you don’t love it.
I have worked at the same company for over 20 years, and somehow inevitably it comes to feel like a series of betrayals. They cut the pension. Then pre-medicare healthcare benefits. Reduced vacation time. Severely curtailed bonuses. Then flex time. Then line managers' discretionary funds for spot awards. Smaller offices and fewer single offices. Additional approvals for purchases. Banned catered work lunches. No more company-supplied coffee.
It wasn't all at once, just steady and continuous trimming, a little each year or two. And always to make things worse, never better.
And yet, when I look around, the place I work is in line with everywhere else. It recently made the Forbes Best Large Employers list. Am I only noticing bad changes, and blind to good changes? Or has the whole playing field actually tilted?
Oh this sounds familiar now. I work for a govt contractor and they have been doing this on the sly for a few years based on “market analysis” and benchmarking studies blah blah blah.
We always had pretty liberal PTO rollover rules but they limited that so it’s more use it or lose it now. They dropped their severance package in half. Reduced the amount they contribute towards retirement. Replaced spot awards with some bs online feedback system. They think we don’t notice.
Neither are sole proprietorships, or privately held firms, sorry. Only Family is family, and even then your mileage will vary.
Yeah, I don’t know why anyone falls for that workplace “family” bullshit. I’ve had jobs since I was 15 and the only difference is that it got easier to compose my face when someone tried it on me. I may have actually snickered as a teenager.
It's not just publicly traded companies that are not "family". My mom worked for a family ran-business for 25 years, and she was fired when the owner's sons took over, and they wanted a new assistant. My mom felt like a part of the family, and she had no reason to think she would one day be fired. She went from making decent money to having to start over in retail. No company is your family.
This should be a lesson for all. You should know where you stand with your employer, what the succession plan looks like, and where you stand with successor.
I left my former role because owner of $115M company had no succession plan at age 63. My current boss is 40 and is likely the future of this company. If he’s not, I’ll consider a move immediately to reposition to somewhere with a plan that has longevity to it.
Corporate america isn't your friend.
It always blows my mind the corporate culture ppl are pulled into.
And some companies demand it.
Currently my company is trying to figure out sustainability. They developed a world wide council of mid level people to do the development.
These people were told they had to do this on their own time. My co worker found that he did not have enough time after work and so had to take 8 hours of Vacation to make up for the time.
That's 8 hours that he could have taken off with his kid. Gone for a walk. Gone for lunch. Added to his post covid travel. Watched a day time movie at home.
But instead he gave it back to the company.
I was like WTF? Of they can't pay you to develop it.... Why do you think they will eat the cost to implement it?
They have a program for new staff, which has the same issue. Do the 80 hours of orientation on your own time. We have assigned you this task. But we will not pay you to do it!
Things I've learned over the years:
1. Work to live, don't live to work. Enjoying the work is a secondary bonus benefit. Make time to have a life outside of the office because there's no point to it otherwise.
2. If you're not "on call" (ie: doing production support stuff), shut down work stuff at the end of the day and don't boot back up until your next workday starts. If something is super urgent and you're the only one that can do whatever needs doing, they can call your personal phone number (taboos against this kind of thing will make sure that almost never happens, at least in my experience).
3. Don't work unpaid overtime. Ever. You're worth more than free labor.
4. Don't work paid overtime for more than a month. The stress of constant overtime will build up otherwise, and see point 1 about "Work to live".
5. ***Use your PTO.*** Even if it's just taking a random Friday off. Use it. It's yours. Most states require it be paid out when you leave the company, but those kinds of payouts usually don't come with the 401k matching that using PTO/Vacation days would.
Might have missed a couple others, but those feel like the big bullet points that everyone fresh out of college should be hearing over and over from their seniors/mentors. I know I coach my team's Junior devs on this stuff. Them: "I just want to run one more test before I leave." Me: "That test takes 45 minutes to run, it can wait until morning."
Now a lot of companies have a "unlimited" PTO policy precisely so they don't have to pay it unused PTO. They also like to frame this as a "perk".
Wow. I read through the comments on NY Times site. Will say that the best advice I ever got was:
\-always be training, networking, and acquiring new skills;
\-network with professionals in your field; and
\-always have your resume updated and ready; and
\-always be applying and interviewing for your next job; and
\-don't be mean when leaving or slam the door behind you on the way out.
Ones only defense is to always be on the lookout for the next opportunity. Getting a new job with a new company helps ensure a better work life and good salary increases.
Your best odds for a big increase in pay is to take a job at another company.
I worked for a company I adored for 8 years til I went to HR to report my boss for inappropriate behavior and that’s when I learned a very important lesson .. HR is not there to protect you they Are only there to protect the best interest of the company . I will never trust an HR department again.
Just curious, do you feel it would have worked out better if you had sought out an to appropriate personal lawyer, first? Is that even possible given standard corporate arbitration clauses? Otherwise, what are the non-HR options available to someone in that position?
I had a similar experience at Vodafone in Europe.
I loved that company. We were doing amazing things They gave me incredible challenges. I managed things no one in Vodafone had ever done before.
Then my CEO got in trouble. So she started firing people. She fired all her direct reports, trying to save her skin by showing she was 'doing something' when she was the problem. I was the last one she fired, two weeks before they finally removed her.
A year later one of my people came to me from Voda. New CEO was harassing her. Dick pics in her Whatsapp, holding promotions over her head unless she went along with his sick games, etc. What should I do, she asked? Take it to Vodafone, I said. Trust them. They'll be as horrified as I am. Call this guy. I gave her a phone number. It will be fine. Worst advice I ever gave anyone.
Everyone on the Vodafone side except one got promoted. The victim was left like a bag of trash on the side of the road. She ended up institutionalized after two suicide attempts.
You notice I'm not using euphemisms like "a large European telecoms company, to remain nameless". Fuck you, Vodafone. Come at me, motherfuckers. I've got the receipts. Try it, and learn the meaning of regret.
EDIT: thanks for the upvotes and awards etc. Did not expect that. For everyone asking why she didn't sue, go to the media etc ... of course we knew how to do that. I know many people in the media, one phone call and I could've gotten her a national TV interview. Also I showed her several cases where people were getting six or seven figure settlements for far less. Personally I would have enjoyed watching these preening, sanctimonious jackasses withering under the glare of public accountability. She just wanted to get a serial predator out of the organization, and go away quietly. You can agree or disagree, but this was her decision to make and she made it. It's still her decision, not mine, how to proceed, which is why I'm being a bit cagey with the country, names and details. I don't want some intrepid reporter putting details together and hunting her down. If you really want to know more details - particularly if you suspect you might be working with or for this guy - PM me and convince me your intent is not to do anything with the info which would interfere with the victim, who by god has been through enough already and I won't have any part in putting her through more stress.
Respect for naming and shaming them.. Too many people won't do that.
No company is a family. Some used to be, but in these times, almost all of them have been bought by a bigger company, and all the compassion and caring has been squeezed out of them in the name of profits.
No ~~publicly traded~~ company is a family.
Even Olive Garden?
I am Speaking as a blue collar worker who was employed at Ford motor. When the meltdown happened in 2008 we took massive cuts and gave up raises to the tune of almost 10 years. They promised and gave their word that when Ford returned to profitability all the concessions would be returned. Guess what? Not only did we receive nothing but 1 holiday back but also took further cuts even through record profits. Our profit sharing that we gave up huge concessions to keep just seem to keep shrinking even though more profits with fewer and fewer workers every year. Does not matter what collar you have if you work for a living the game is rigged. The peasants will never get their fair share. Especially if we keep letting the ruling class pit us against one another.
Always annoys me that companies make so many things contractual agreements with consultations etc but when they say take a pay cut and you’ll get it back one day etc it’s always on their word.
Then they’ll always start losing people to competitors and quality drops.
I worked at one radio station for nearly sixteen years. I harbored no illusions about the suits in another city or the bosses in offices on the other side of the building, but I still thought the people I worked with and laughed with on a daily basis were at least friends.
In January of 2020 (mere weeks after a holiday party wherein the general manager gave everyone the "we're all family" speech, "take care of yourselves and your family," etc.), my program director (seemed like an OK guy; pawned off a lot of his duties on other people, though) said that my position would become an assistant program director position, meaning I'd have to help him with a lot of the day-to-day stuff on top of my already voluminous tasks.
I was wary from the start, given his aforementioned habit of pawning stuff off on other people. He said it would have to be an advertised position, I'd have to apply, etc. As the days went on, I asked questions here and there about the schedule, the duties, and so on. Despite my concerns, I was still intending to apply.
February 2020. I was pulled into his office and told that my position was being eliminated right then because they "wanted a clean start" before they advertised the new position. I was again told that I could apply for it and so on, but I wouldn't have my fifteen-plus years of seniority, vacation time, etc.
I gathered my stuff and left. I recall being confused and angry more than anything else and the more I thought about that "clean break" thing, the more I thought it was bullshit. I was told by someone at work that the standard "'ety3rd' no longer works here. We wish him well in his future endeavors" email went out, but they misspelled my name. (Again, fifteen-plus years.) I got a few texts and calls from acquaintances and work friends in the next couple of days and then ... nothing.
The person with whom I worked most closely last texted me in April 2020. The two other people whom I would have said were my friends ... I texted back and forth with them for a while, but then I realized that I was the one who always initiated the conversations. So, I decided that I would wait to hear from them before I texted or whatever. That was in June of 2020.
Yeah. Work ain't family.
I worked at a place for 7 years. My last day not a single coworker said bye.
We don't talk now obviously.
" **no company is a family.** "
Anyone who thinks their employer is family when they aren't literally blood related are almost certainly being taken advantage of.
I've got some bad news for you. Non publicly traded companies aren't your family either. They will treat you just as bad.
HR is always there to protect the company's interest, not yours. Don't delude yourself into believing that.
Yup. ALWAYS. They act as if they're there for the individual but don't be fooled. Their mandate is to protect and promote the company at all costs.
I was a star player for a large Seattle based software corp for 15 years, then i became a father and i could not work for 12 hours a day any longer and that was it. My manger gave me a bad review mentioning that I took paternity leave in front of witnesses. I reported him to HR. HR involved legal. Legal made the whole thing disappear. "The facts did not occur", where the only words he repeated to me. Even when I asked about the witnesses. " The facts did not occur". After that I wasn't able to move to any other teams, i was re-organized to a different one but the managers were instructed to get rid of me ASAP. I contacted a lawyer who told me that this software company has a squadron of lawyers dedicated to this and she was amazed that i haven't been fired yet. "You must be pretty good at your job indeed" she said. "I see people like you every week. They generally last 3 months". Eventually i negotiated a package for me to leave.
1. Corps give a fuck about you and the years you give them
2. Everybody can be replaced
3. HR works for the corp, not for you
4. Never pick a fight, just leave
5. Use company time to prepare for the next interviews
6. Make good contacts
7. Don't burn bridges
Your workplace is where you trade your labor for money so you can survive in our capitalist system. That’s it.
You can have employers that give you better terms for your work or worse, but at the end of the day, you. are. expendable.
There is no employer that will choose to side with you over their bottom line. It just doesn’t happen.
I don’t understand why the idea that your employer and colleagues are your “family” is so common when we have basically an infinite amount of evidence that employers don’t give two shits about you.
Was part of a huge conglomerate last year. Wasn’t there for more than 3 months, and with COVID just taking hold internationally.
My bosses said I was doing good and picking things up well. Within a week I got a spur of the moment meeting with a manager higher up who I don’t talk to on a daily basis.
My managers were pissed, I was even more so but I didn’t let on at work about it. They said they were cutting costs due to predicted lower revenue. It smelled like BS to me considering how many ppl got hired into a similar position to me. Needless to say it was for the best
Basically told me times are tough and they were offloading me. I got another position in the company until I could find something else. That position was basically learn all you can and find something as fast as possible.
I feel like i was lucky. The first 3 companies i worked for (internship and first 2 jobs) i watched the company layoff its aging workforce. That was a big eye opener to not rely on a company at a very young age.
I then registered an LLC, got an EIN number and started to operate as an independent contractor only taking c2c contracts. Just give me a full check and i'll pay myself and negotiate my own health benefits and pre-tax 401k match package with financial firms.
People, it is ALWAYS ok to talk to your colleagues about compensation. It is the only way your employer will be forced to compensate everyone in fair and equitable manner.
Tfw someone told upper management we were talking about wages at the bar after work hours and he sat me down and told me it was against company policy to share wages.
I do think it's funny she now works at Facebook.
Did she say Facebook? I kinda skimmed through and saw "26 year old Manager" and thought where the hell did she end up where that is possible
I hate it when employees say their place of employment is their “home”. No it isn’t. It’s where you work. And your company is not your family either. Your company will throw you out on the street the second you become dispensable. Your home and your family are your home and family.
I was one of the first employees at my company and basically created the operations, manufacturing, quality and distribution system from scratch.
Last year the 2 founders got into a pissing match and one, who was the CEO, got canned and a board members dumbshit son took over and decided we weren’t trying hard enough and if we made more inventory sales would magically increase.
So now I’m sitting on $14 million in inventory, he’s gone and the new CEO is up my ass.
The rug on my career there has been pulled out from me through no fault of my own. This is the third time something like this has happened to me since 2000 and I only work for 100 person non-publicly traded companies
It never benefits the employee to speak out about unfair or unethical work situations. Nothing will be done and they’ll LOOK for a way to fire you. I felt a serious sense of loyalty and optimism with my last job even after I reported harassment, and when it came to budget cuts, Karen in HR was all too happy to eliminate my position. Just get rid of that squeaky wheel and it won’t squeak anymore.
Yup, my coworker complained to hr about her manager not supporting her and about work the manager wasn’t doing. When layoffs came around guess who was first on the list. I told her to just deal with it or find a new job but she was sure hr would help her out.
Long-termed at a MASSIVE tech company and really really satisfied. Get along great with the other staff and management in my area, super pleased at the pay/stock options/benefits. Not a complaint I the world but I never EVER buy into then “we’re a family” b.s. or the “teamwork makes the dream work” nonsense. I have a family and this job exists only to provide money for us. Im a team player only within the boundaries of the time you’re paying me for. And the moment I feel the benefit of being here falls below what I could achieve elsewhere, I’m out. Advice to all workers: organize, unionize, and keep your resume up to date. Treat your employer as dispensable as they consider you.
With the size of Google I'm surprised moving to another department wasn't put forward immediately hr may be to protect the employer not the employee but theirs value lost in talent going to third parties.
I’ve worked in jobs that really were a family. And just like a REAL family they expect you to work late without OT, come in sick, managers act like Mom or Dad and tell you to get over it when you have an issue with a coworker. Benefits? Eh, that’s a luxury that Ma and Pa can’t really afford but if you put a quarter in the jar once a week we can have a pizza party for Christmas...in February once things slow down.
I work in healthcare and everyone's corporate horror stories are scaring me. Maybe my drama free, "boring" workplace isn't a bad thing.
Sadly same is true for healthcare non-profits
Time for me to watch office space again.
Every time I hear about the “Great Corporate culture” where I work I want to barf a little.
We’re all in it for the money, the benefits and possibly the prestige. I’ve worked on teams that have fiormed great bonds. But company’s can’t have a culture.
At best they can try to be less toxic then most.
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